Podcast: hanging with Santarcangelo et al. to transform awareness

Quick post to share a podcast on how to make awareness programs make a difference. Many thanks to Michael Santarcangelo, the Security Catalyst, for letting me join in. It’s good to see there’s room for a process junkie when great practitioners get together. It was also nice to meet the Focus folks who run a well oiled shop. You can find the podcast here. All feedback welcome!